OK, my next gripe, recording from TV in the digital age. So
in the age of VCR, we put a tape in, pressed record and viola, it recorded.
We still have some VHS tapes, namely home videos, many
that have been transferred to DVD, and some that haven’t. Yes we still have a
VCR to do this with. I gave my Stargate Collection, recorded from Sky Digital,
with the breaks painstakingly removed, to a local charity shop some two years ago.
They were heavy and bulky, and the picture quality looks awful in the hi-def
age. Oh and what a waste of time it was to record them so diligently, what was
I on back then?
Anyway, back to today, and here’s my problem, all I want to
do is this:-
Watch the odd series pre-recorded on a series link,
preferably in HD, and maybe the odd movie once or twice a month.
Keep a series or, shock horror, two, on a hard disk based
system.
I don’t want to pay a subscription charge, the free to air
stuff is fine thank you.
Not throw endless money at trying to achieve the above.
That is pretty much it.
Cable TV is not an
option, despite living just a few miles from the centre of one of Britain’s
largest cities, the road was dug, a cable laid, and then the company putting it
in went bust, so whilst people all around us have cable our little pocket
doesn’t, thought we do have a gigantic ugly green BT fibre
optic broadband box right outside our house. 18Mbits suit us just fine, I am
not interested.
So a satellite solution is the only option. To this end I
own a Sky HD Box and a Humax Foxsat HDR (500GB) box.
The problem? In a word, both can’t do what I want, I feel
like saying they’re both rubbish etc. but that would be how I feel about them,
and not really nailing down the why.
So the ‘why’….
Interruption to thread : Oh good grief! I kept the shift key
pressed a bit too long thinking of the next word to write and that Sticky keys
nonsense started up and locked my keyboard up until I found the tray icon and
turned it off, another one of life’s little nuisance thanks to modern
technology (Windows 7).
.. anyway, the ‘why’ short version…
The Sky HD box, likes to crash, and you have to pay for the
recording feature to work, £10 a month I’ve been lead to believe. So I’ve no idea yet how a series link will
fare on it, as once or twice a week, you turn it on, and it’s dead. Time to
unplug and wait a few minutes. It’s a bit better since the more recent firmware
updates. Cost was £80 (used).
The Humax box clips recordings that are on series link, at
least a quarter, probably more like a third of the episodes I record have their
last few minutes missing and few have their start clipped instead. That’s a
deal breaker, makes programmes not worth watching. Humax support just ignored
my e-mail about it, and yes the firmware is up to date, but it’s 6 months old,
so they don’t update often. Cost me £250, and I paid this because the reviews
were so glowing, e.g. What HiFi gave it 5 stars no less.
Long (boring) version.
The Sky HD box’s crashing syndrome, I doubt it would be improved
upon significantly by having a newer box, when we did have Sky Digital and Sky+
subscriptions, it was much the same story, the boxes (yes some were replaced,
Thompson, Amstrad, Pace, had ‘em all in various guises) did like to lock up
needing a mains plug pull followed by a good long wait whilst it redetected channels etc. The recorded media is not organised,
other than one large list of recorded programs, that are just ordered chronologically,
and that’s it. However until I used the Humax box, I didn’t appreciate what it
does very well, which is work very well in every other respect. It’s fast and
responsive, hardly any lag ever, and when I had Sky+ many moons back, and I
can’t remember it ever cutting off the end of a recording. I did have vague
memory of it doing so maybe more than once, but I can’t remember the incident.
I know there are millions of Sky customers who are using Sky+ and the series
link works all the time, and there are no or very few crashes. Then again
people love the Humax box…. It’s me as well, not wanting to pay the fee, and
here comes the worst bit, if you decided to stop paying, you can’t watch your recordings
anymore! Another big turn off. In the age of people happily paying £45 a month
for Sky, I probably look like some form of luddite. Well we had such packages
and we ended up with a humongous amount of stuff recorded that we never had the
time to watch. So we cancelled it.
Back to the Humax box. It’s difficult to live with. It has
one awful remote control, a really turgid user interface and operates in two
modes to give you something approaching Sky’s free to air coverage, that are a
pain to switch between, normal satellite, where the planner no longer allows
series link etc. or go back to setup, and find the option to go back to a
limited subset, under the Freesat banner.
Slow to start…
First
up it takes an absolute age to ‘BOOT’ up, unless it
was already recoding something scheduled, in which case it’s instant. If
you feel like eating something in front of the telly and think
you’ll watch a few minutes of something, well you won’t. You’ll end up
watching
the word ‘BOOT’ on its LCD for a while, and will probably have finished a
packed of crisp by the time you get a picture.
Slow to use… and that remote…
I've played with a good number of PVR's
and this is by the slowest I have ever used. Initially you can't tell if it's
the remote control causing the lag, or whether the box is slow. Well it's both.
The remote is badly laid out and the rubber keys do need a firm press, the nice
looking silver ring used as a directional cursor more so than the rest of the
keys. The ‘play’ key for example, which is one that's used quite a lot, is
placed in a cluster just above the center to the left. This is frustrating in
the extreme, on most PVR’s it is a LARGE key, why they made it so small and
placed it in such an awkward to reach place is beyond me, it appears to defy
common sense.
So I set up a multi-remote a cheap but
functional One 4 All jobby. It was then that I noticed that the unit itself is
also slow to respond. At least now I know it’s the unit and I could now stop
repeatedly pressing keys harder in hope of a quicker response. You fast forward
an ad, and oh no your left pressing the play button repeatedly as it whizzes past,
then you rewind. Repeat three times, and you end up spending quarter of the
time the das would have taken, so your ahead in terms of time saves, but it’s
annoying.
The guide looks fantastic, but is again
turgid and slow in use, worse still it buffers key presses, as one makes one too
many key presses, it goes way past the target timeframe one was looking for.
The media section that keeps the series you record in nice neat folders is
quite nice, and not quite as slow, but still no match for the speed of a Sky
HD’s episode list.
It chops things, and we’re not talking about your fresh veg…
So you can set up a series link to record
all the episodes of a particular series. Nothing new and this is what I bought
it for in the first place. It is this feature’s implementation that provably
breaks the camel’s back. Almost every other recording it makes is truncated.
The end will be missing! Fantastic, so you have an episode of the Big Bang
Theory recorded (oops’ I’ve fessed up to one of the two series I have recorded,
the 2nd one is much more embarrassing, but not Rules of Engagement
or desperate House Wife’s, it’s not THAT bad), the full 20 minutes or so of
actual program time after you skip the ads, it didn’t bother recording. It ends
a few minutes short, and you don’t get to see the punch line. This is more
frustrating still when the following episodes may reference what happened at
the end, and one can only make an educated ‘guess’ at what actually happened. Crummy
firmware.
One interesting thing is that it has
never locked up or crashed, ever. It has twice failed to make a recording at
all, i.e. recorded a few minutes and marked the recoding as having had a
failure, but that’s it. But any good ‘features’ this box has are largely irrelevant
if it can’t even make complete recordings.
The worst thing is that it wasn’t immediately
obvious. We had already watched nearly all Big Bang Theory episodes, and just
wished to have a collection on the hard drive in HD, so we hadn’t watched them
yet. Then I recorded another series that I wished to watch later with my wife.
So we had 40 odd episodes recorded, and that’s when it really hit us, that a
great many had their ends cut off. After watching about 12 episodes we began to
wonder if it was worth watching anymore. We would off course skip to end and
see if it’s there in the first place, but really? Oh and then the ultimate kicker,
once in a while, it will cut the beginning off, i.e. start recording too late.
Obviously I contacted Humax support (allegedly
UK), and had no response. Oh well, so much for customer support. This is
clearly not fit for the purpose it was sold, and I am now wondering how much
time I will now need to waste in clawing back some money for what has been a
very poor investment. I could complain to Richer Sounds about it and see what
they have to say, but as its well over 30 days, they are probably within their
right not to be interested. Then there’s the manufacturer, who doesn’t even
reply to e-mails.
What to do…
Pay Sky…
I am loathed to do this, but assuming I claw back some of
the cash by getting rid of the Humax box, I could pay Sky that money, and see
how it goes, how often crash leads to an episode, or series of episodes to be
missed.
Hope Humax get their finger out…
.. and fix the clipping problem, I can live with the rest.
Out of the box idea, DVD Box-sets…
Forget the whole recording mumbo jumbo, buy them cheap on
ebay as boxed sets, eventually, I can wait. I bought seasons 2, 3, 4 (to add to
the 1 and 5 I’ve had for years) of Babylon 5 for abour £5 each, bona fide
originals.
Only caveat is that it needs to be bit more of a ‘planned’
viewing activity, i.e. get DVD, put in box, watch the copyright messages etc.
get to episode selection. Or put on HDD and watch using WD-TV, that then requires
WD-TV to be turned on, it scans the hard drive etc. etc. Even the Humax at its
worst is more convenient, turn on, wait, wait some more, go to media pick
series, select next unwatched episode (with the risk that it won’t have
recorded the end of the recording…).
Give up…
Then there’s my friend who makes the point, why bother
watching TV at all, one day his argument might just win the day. I have enough
unwatched, original DVD’s to last me two years at my current rate of viewing.
First up, never a waste of time to record and edit stuff. Even if you don't get around to watching it all before you bin it the act of organising it all is pleasurable in itself. Go on, admit it. You felt some satisfaction in getting it done. And while it might not rank up there with the Olympic heights of our recent medallists it's an achievement and should be celebrated as one.
ReplyDeleteNow then, Humax.I had a lovely time for many years with a Freeview Humax PVR (the 9200) as mentioned in my award winning blog here: http://bit.ly/NZIHsD
Among its features was the capacity to trim recordings and edit out adverts; a gimmicky picture in picture setting; and a simple if slow interface that allowed you to transfer recordings onto your computer.
However, when I first bought it, it didn't have series link. This was later added through an over-the-air software update, but it suffered from the exact same problem you talk about here - it would miss the end of recordings (and for some reason this does seem to be worse from the Channel 4 stable of channels). There was an option to pad the start and end of recordings but this wouldn't work in conjunction with series link and I resorted to scheduling things to record weekly at the same time instead - fine, unless the schedule was changed (which happened from time to time).
I have since bought a Humax Freeview HD box, a HDR FOX T2(see my blog (plug, plug!) for details: http://bit.ly/MXjjXq )
It has a massive 4 HD channels (5 while the Olympics is on!)but that seems to do the trick for most stuff.
It lacks the editing and PinP features of my old box and I haven't tried to transfer any files yet (I believe HD channels are scrambled, but I should still be able to move SD and radio files). But what it does have is a series link that you can pad.
Superficially, there seems to be similarities in design with the FOXSAT (certainly, I share the same duff remote as you describe)so I wonder if the padding option is there too. On my box it's under the MENU button, and then 'Preferences'; then 'Recording' which gives you options for Start and End Padding times. Hope this helps.
cheers, Vin.
Thank you sir for your contribution.
ReplyDeleteI have read over the past week about the 'padding' option, I would be surprised, but not shocked, if I had over looked it. Something to look into when I get back, but I had the impression that it doesn't apply to series link.
I have read your blog entry, and the HD-FOX T2 has one issue for me, it's a Freeview box. My Sony RDR-HXD995 (250GB + DVD Recording) already has a twin tuner with EPG for Freeview, again highly rated by reviews, even on image quality, and it has one BIG issue, awful image quality.
My telly, the Samsung PS59D550, 59" 3D jobby, also has a built in Freeview (with HD) tuner, very nice, but even though it will play most flv and mkv files straight off a USB device, pressing the record button *should* record onto such a device, but it doesn't. Didn't pursue any further as I thought the Foxsat-HDR would take care of everything, and it does, especially the end of recording...
I also have an old Humax Irdeto box lying around, worked quite well, but it's just a basic sat box, nothing special. However no laggy menus etc.
Still back to the main issue, consumer technology that should just work as advertised, but doesn't. Pain.
Dunno if you can transfer the recordings off it onto a computer, etc. but the one thing BT Vision does well is recording. You can set how many minutes you want it to record before and after as well(handy for not missing the end of stuff), series recording works well.
ReplyDeleteSadly, that's not what we got it for and it's other features are shockingly bad(all the content it downloads suffers from lag, dropping out, randomly stopping and erroring in the middle, etc. iplayer is a nightmare too). BT blame that on our broadband connection though(that we get from them...), so who knows.
Regardless, the recording feature works really well! Might be worth picking up one of the boxes second-hand if they work without a subscription.